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		<title>Kimkins rebuttal</title>
		<link>http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/10/direct-from-kimkins-rebuttal/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>2BIG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interesting post &lt;a href="http://kimkinsdiettruth.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Kimmer&lt;/a&gt;. too bad Jeannie saw it and has sent a rebuttal of her own to your rebuttal of her leaving &lt;a href="http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/populardietplans/a/kimkinsdiet.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Kimkins.com&lt;/a&gt; 

here it is for folk not realizing DIETSINREVIEW has moved the Kimmer commnet out as a page of its own

 Jeannie Baitinger 
Jan 2nd, 2008 at 3:36 pm 
I am friggen stunned! I just don’t know what else to say. Cutting/reducing fats from Atkins does not make it Kimkins. I have done both and I know the difference. 

First, I am in no way affiliated with Kimkins. In fact, I don’t even visit the site. Check the stats for yourselves. I will try to make this very clear. I left Kimkins to avoid being dragged into a lawsuit and a serious one at that. It is not my intent to bad mouth Heidi or her Kimkins plans. That is NOT saying I support her or any fraud she has done. 

I am not following Kimkins diet. I am at goal. I did re-gain a tad over the holidays. I tried STILLMAN’S Quick Weight Loss and took it off. I do believe in freedom of plan choice and I will never bully or harass anyone for their plan of choice. As far as Kimkins plans, yes I did lose weight and a lot of it. No one wants to hear it but I will not lie about it. I have no reason to. I stalled on Atkins after about a 50lb loss. I tried Kimkins but learned I just couldn’t stay on it long. But I also saw weight loss for the first time in a very long time. So, I learned to cycle it back and forth–Kimkins to lose–Atkins to maintain. There are threads at LCF which show this though they are mostly overlooked. :Smiley A matter of convenience I am certain. Check the thread “Has Atkins Quit Working For You”. It’s all there. Another thread I posted a lot on was Support Unlimited. And for a while Banta Babes. Some say that was never Kimkins… But on a Kimkins cycle round it WAS. 

Because I did lose a lot of weight using Kimkins I have not asked her to remove my success story. I know that is going to make a lot of people mad to read but that is how I feel. It is fair. I have not had contact with Heidi about my pics, my story or anything else. All ties are severed. We do not communicate by email, telephone or 3rd parties. And while I have been granted immunity from the lawsuit in exchange for cooperating I have not joined the lawsuit nor do I want my money refunded. I just want to be left in peace from all sides. This has been a nightmare. 

A family member has started reading all the blogs and such about me and is now worried to death over it all. He didn’t need that at all. He has had one stroke previously and suffers from other health and stress problems. My daughter started reading it too and is very angry over the obvious lies. In fact, my entire family is worried sick for me. People who do not know me at all are repeating the lies. It is sickening of the joy some get from attempts to ruin a person’s life. I don’t understand it. 

I had no idea when I left Kimkins that I would be starting a site. In fact, I looked into Amy’s site as a new home and was instantly banned thanks to LCF members who are determined I am not worthy of support, even though I have supported so many of them on my weight loss journey. This is what lead to Brian and Heather offering to build us our very own “home” and that is how Camp Carbaway was born. There was no master plot happening at Kimkins. We can all clearly see how people who follow her diets are treated by the other low carb communities. IF she should be forced to shut her doors due to the lawsuit her people are most assuredly welcome here. In fact, I don’t care if they want to be members of both. That is their right. 

Further, I find it surprising that Heidi would want us to offer Kimkins plans here as she sent Brian an email with a hint she would sue anyone for copycatting her plans. And, after all, they do belong to her. I respect that. Because of that I find it hard to imagine that Heidi would write that at all… And I suspect she did not. What I do suspect is just another person claiming glory to once again put a dagger in the middle of my back. Seems my suffering is their joy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting post <a href="http://kimkinsdiettruth.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Kimmer</a>. too bad Jeannie saw it and has sent a rebuttal of her own to your rebuttal of her leaving <a href="http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/populardietplans/a/kimkinsdiet.htm" rel="nofollow">Kimkins.com</a> </p>
<p>here it is for folk not realizing DIETSINREVIEW has moved the Kimmer commnet out as a page of its own</p>
<p> Jeannie Baitinger<br />
Jan 2nd, 2008 at 3:36 pm<br />
I am friggen stunned! I just don’t know what else to say. Cutting/reducing fats from Atkins does not make it Kimkins. I have done both and I know the difference. </p>
<p>First, I am in no way affiliated with Kimkins. In fact, I don’t even visit the site. Check the stats for yourselves. I will try to make this very clear. I left Kimkins to avoid being dragged into a lawsuit and a serious one at that. It is not my intent to bad mouth Heidi or her Kimkins plans. That is NOT saying I support her or any fraud she has done. </p>
<p>I am not following Kimkins diet. I am at goal. I did re-gain a tad over the holidays. I tried STILLMAN’S Quick Weight Loss and took it off. I do believe in freedom of plan choice and I will never bully or harass anyone for their plan of choice. As far as Kimkins plans, yes I did lose weight and a lot of it. No one wants to hear it but I will not lie about it. I have no reason to. I stalled on Atkins after about a 50lb loss. I tried Kimkins but learned I just couldn’t stay on it long. But I also saw weight loss for the first time in a very long time. So, I learned to cycle it back and forth–Kimkins to lose–Atkins to maintain. There are threads at LCF which show this though they are mostly overlooked. :Smiley A matter of convenience I am certain. Check the thread “Has Atkins Quit Working For You”. It’s all there. Another thread I posted a lot on was Support Unlimited. And for a while Banta Babes. Some say that was never Kimkins… But on a Kimkins cycle round it WAS. </p>
<p>Because I did lose a lot of weight using Kimkins I have not asked her to remove my success story. I know that is going to make a lot of people mad to read but that is how I feel. It is fair. I have not had contact with Heidi about my pics, my story or anything else. All ties are severed. We do not communicate by email, telephone or 3rd parties. And while I have been granted immunity from the lawsuit in exchange for cooperating I have not joined the lawsuit nor do I want my money refunded. I just want to be left in peace from all sides. This has been a nightmare. </p>
<p>A family member has started reading all the blogs and such about me and is now worried to death over it all. He didn’t need that at all. He has had one stroke previously and suffers from other health and stress problems. My daughter started reading it too and is very angry over the obvious lies. In fact, my entire family is worried sick for me. People who do not know me at all are repeating the lies. It is sickening of the joy some get from attempts to ruin a person’s life. I don’t understand it. </p>
<p>I had no idea when I left Kimkins that I would be starting a site. In fact, I looked into Amy’s site as a new home and was instantly banned thanks to LCF members who are determined I am not worthy of support, even though I have supported so many of them on my weight loss journey. This is what lead to Brian and Heather offering to build us our very own “home” and that is how Camp Carbaway was born. There was no master plot happening at Kimkins. We can all clearly see how people who follow her diets are treated by the other low carb communities. IF she should be forced to shut her doors due to the lawsuit her people are most assuredly welcome here. In fact, I don’t care if they want to be members of both. That is their right. </p>
<p>Further, I find it surprising that Heidi would want us to offer Kimkins plans here as she sent Brian an email with a hint she would sue anyone for copycatting her plans. And, after all, they do belong to her. I respect that. Because of that I find it hard to imagine that Heidi would write that at all… And I suspect she did not. What I do suspect is just another person claiming glory to once again put a dagger in the middle of my back. Seems my suffering is their joy.</p>
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		<title>Kimkins rebuttal</title>
		<link>http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/10/direct-from-kimkins-rebuttal/#comment-147</link>
		<dc:creator>IS Tippy Kimmer&#8217;s right hand man??? or is kimmer after $2,000,000+ &#171; 2big4mysize&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 01:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kimmer&#8217;s right hand man??? or is kimmer after&#160;$2,000,000+    many of us have seen the  comment on Dietsinreview.com   that was written by Kimmer saying Tippytoes AKA Jeannie Baitenger is still [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Kimmer&#8217;s right hand man??? or is kimmer after&nbsp;$2,000,000+    many of us have seen the  comment on Dietsinreview.com   that was written by Kimmer saying Tippytoes AKA Jeannie Baitenger is still [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Kimkins rebuttal</title>
		<link>http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/10/direct-from-kimkins-rebuttal/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimkins Follow-up &#124; Diets in Review Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/10/direct-from-kimkins-rebuttal/#comment-139</guid>
		<description>[...] I wanted to share this Kimkins follow-up with what looks like Kimmer herself. Back in October, Diets In Review shared with you the disappointing news that many Kimkins customers feel that the Kimkins program is fraudulent. Their PR manager, Jeannie Baitinger, responded to Diets In Review and we shared that post with you here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I wanted to share this Kimkins follow-up with what looks like Kimmer herself. Back in October, Diets In Review shared with you the disappointing news that many Kimkins customers feel that the Kimkins program is fraudulent. Their PR manager, Jeannie Baitinger, responded to Diets In Review and we shared that post with you here. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Kimkins rebuttal</title>
		<link>http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/10/direct-from-kimkins-rebuttal/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/10/direct-from-kimkins-rebuttal/#comment-136</guid>
		<description>Please be advised that Jeannie continues to follow and support the Kimkins Plan today.

She simply left Kimkins in order to help spread the word via her own Kimkins-based website.  She has my blessing and full support for her Kimkins CTF Diet.

Jeannie is still a very strong Kimkins supporter, and she remains my right hand here at Kimkins.  Kimkins would not be the success it is today without all the hard work and support that Jeannie has given me and continues to give me on a daily basis.

If your life has been benefitted by the Kimkins Diet, you owe a great debt to Jeannie and all her hard work.

I couldn't have achieved all that I have achieved without the monumental contributions made by Jeannie.

She is a fine testament of the proof that the Kimkins Diet is working miracles for thousand of obese men and woman every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please be advised that Jeannie continues to follow and support the Kimkins Plan today.</p>
<p>She simply left Kimkins in order to help spread the word via her own Kimkins-based website.  She has my blessing and full support for her Kimkins CTF Diet.</p>
<p>Jeannie is still a very strong Kimkins supporter, and she remains my right hand here at Kimkins.  Kimkins would not be the success it is today without all the hard work and support that Jeannie has given me and continues to give me on a daily basis.</p>
<p>If your life has been benefitted by the Kimkins Diet, you owe a great debt to Jeannie and all her hard work.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t have achieved all that I have achieved without the monumental contributions made by Jeannie.</p>
<p>She is a fine testament of the proof that the Kimkins Diet is working miracles for thousand of obese men and woman every day.</p>
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		<title>Kimkins rebuttal</title>
		<link>http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/10/direct-from-kimkins-rebuttal/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>Say NO to Kimkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/10/direct-from-kimkins-rebuttal/#comment-135</guid>
		<description>Please update your article to reflect that Jeannie Baitinger in NO LONGER the Kimkins PR Director.

You might want to contact her to see if she still feels the same way about her rebuttal.  I have a feeling that she does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please update your article to reflect that Jeannie Baitinger in NO LONGER the Kimkins PR Director.</p>
<p>You might want to contact her to see if she still feels the same way about her rebuttal.  I have a feeling that she does not.</p>
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		<title>Kimkins rebuttal</title>
		<link>http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/10/direct-from-kimkins-rebuttal/#comment-123</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/10/direct-from-kimkins-rebuttal/#comment-123</guid>
		<description>Isn't it interesting that the one who posted the rebuttal has now jumped ship?

http://2big4mysize.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/has-tippy-toes-flipped/

http://2medusa.blogspot.com/2007/12/tippytoes-spills-beans.html

If you were a paid member of the Kimkins.com website and you would like to participate in the Class Action Lawsuit against Kimkins:

http://kimkinslawsuit.wordpress.com/

To see the latest information from the KTLA investigation:

http://tinyurl.com/2voac6</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it interesting that the one who posted the rebuttal has now jumped ship?</p>
<p><a href="http://2big4mysize.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/has-tippy-toes-flipped/" rel="nofollow">http://2big4mysize.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/has-tippy-toes-flipped/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://2medusa.blogspot.com/2007/12/tippytoes-spills-beans.html" rel="nofollow">http://2medusa.blogspot.com/2007/12/tippytoes-spills-beans.html</a></p>
<p>If you were a paid member of the Kimkins.com website and you would like to participate in the Class Action Lawsuit against Kimkins:</p>
<p><a href="http://kimkinslawsuit.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://kimkinslawsuit.wordpress.com/</a></p>
<p>To see the latest information from the KTLA investigation:</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/2voac6" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2voac6</a></p>
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		<title>Kimkins rebuttal</title>
		<link>http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/10/direct-from-kimkins-rebuttal/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/10/direct-from-kimkins-rebuttal/#comment-24</guid>
		<description>Yes shes right, there are plenty of people whom haven't tried the diet...

BECAUSE THEY KNEW IT WOULD BE DANGEROUS!!!

You don't need to try the diet to make a judgment on it, you just need to be able to read.

500 calorie bootcamp with 30min daily cardio MINIMUM

800 max calorie protein shake plan where you can choose to use standard protein shakes, no mention of adding fat and Kimmer herself has recommended her members to do a 450 cal version for faster weight loss, calling it her fastest plan.

1000 calorie vegetarian plan.

To top that off Kimmer has given out very dangerous advice.

Plus her other two plans being so low fat particularly her lean meat and egg only plan often come to below 500 calories or close for a lot of members due to something they encourage called SNATT (semi nauseous all the time). Just ask their former PR Director, Christin, ask her how she lost her weight and how KIMMER encouraged her members to copy what Christin was doing!!! Ask Christin how healhy she has been feeling lately!

Apparently, they are now stating an 800 calorie minimum (publicly) but this is only because of an impending lawsuit, TV expose and various investigations. Now Kimmer encourages the members to email Kimmer at her gmail account for "Ask Kimmer" questions... SCARY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes shes right, there are plenty of people whom haven&#8217;t tried the diet&#8230;</p>
<p>BECAUSE THEY KNEW IT WOULD BE DANGEROUS!!!</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t need to try the diet to make a judgment on it, you just need to be able to read.</p>
<p>500 calorie bootcamp with 30min daily cardio MINIMUM</p>
<p>800 max calorie protein shake plan where you can choose to use standard protein shakes, no mention of adding fat and Kimmer herself has recommended her members to do a 450 cal version for faster weight loss, calling it her fastest plan.</p>
<p>1000 calorie vegetarian plan.</p>
<p>To top that off Kimmer has given out very dangerous advice.</p>
<p>Plus her other two plans being so low fat particularly her lean meat and egg only plan often come to below 500 calories or close for a lot of members due to something they encourage called SNATT (semi nauseous all the time). Just ask their former PR Director, Christin, ask her how she lost her weight and how KIMMER encouraged her members to copy what Christin was doing!!! Ask Christin how healhy she has been feeling lately!</p>
<p>Apparently, they are now stating an 800 calorie minimum (publicly) but this is only because of an impending lawsuit, TV expose and various investigations. Now Kimmer encourages the members to email Kimmer at her gmail account for &#8220;Ask Kimmer&#8221; questions&#8230; SCARY!</p>
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		<title>Kimkins rebuttal</title>
		<link>http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/10/direct-from-kimkins-rebuttal/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>IdontThinkSo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/10/direct-from-kimkins-rebuttal/#comment-23</guid>
		<description>This rebuttal is misleading, to say the least. When I joined I had no idea that the impressive before/after pictures and stories were fraudulent, the pictures taken from online Russian bride and groom sites. I had no idea that the inspiring after pictures of the site’s founder were also fake. I, like many, do care who Kimmer is.  I based my decision to join on those stories, those pictures, and her claim of losing nearly 200 pounds and maintaining that loss for several years. I paid for her experience, support, and guidance following a plan that I was to find was not based on her success at all. 
Members were told to lower already low calories. Members were told to take Milk of Magnesia at half dose, daily. Members were told that the calories they needed would be taken from their excess body weight/fat. “Tweaking” the plan to suit your needs was frowned upon. If you tweaked it, it wasn’t Kimkins.  I read those posts during my time as a member of Kimkins. SNATT (semi-nauseous all the time) was applauded and available for purchase, printed on tee shirts. 
I agree with one thing said in the rebuttal above. You will find many happy success stories but that is not due to a lack of dissatisfaction. Jeannie Baitinger says, “On our website I have never seen anything but positive reviews.” If this is true then I would guess that she has spent much of her time on the site with here eyes closed. Members who have questioned the validity of this diet, the founder, the advice given, or stated health concerns or health issues were deemed trouble makers and have had their posts deleted and were banned without warning. One needs only search the internet to find the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This rebuttal is misleading, to say the least. When I joined I had no idea that the impressive before/after pictures and stories were fraudulent, the pictures taken from online Russian bride and groom sites. I had no idea that the inspiring after pictures of the site’s founder were also fake. I, like many, do care who Kimmer is.  I based my decision to join on those stories, those pictures, and her claim of losing nearly 200 pounds and maintaining that loss for several years. I paid for her experience, support, and guidance following a plan that I was to find was not based on her success at all.<br />
Members were told to lower already low calories. Members were told to take Milk of Magnesia at half dose, daily. Members were told that the calories they needed would be taken from their excess body weight/fat. “Tweaking” the plan to suit your needs was frowned upon. If you tweaked it, it wasn’t Kimkins.  I read those posts during my time as a member of Kimkins. SNATT (semi-nauseous all the time) was applauded and available for purchase, printed on tee shirts.<br />
I agree with one thing said in the rebuttal above. You will find many happy success stories but that is not due to a lack of dissatisfaction. Jeannie Baitinger says, “On our website I have never seen anything but positive reviews.” If this is true then I would guess that she has spent much of her time on the site with here eyes closed. Members who have questioned the validity of this diet, the founder, the advice given, or stated health concerns or health issues were deemed trouble makers and have had their posts deleted and were banned without warning. One needs only search the internet to find the truth.</p>
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		<link>http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/10/direct-from-kimkins-rebuttal/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>yes REALLY!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 07:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The members who Do care who the Kimmer really is, are instantly banned.  We Have tried the diet and we Do have serious comlications from the diet.

Clumps of hair falling out due to the malnutrition, slow metabolism and rapid pulse, no energy and fainting. Impaired thyroid function. Yoppy even has that now.

Dr. Broda Barnes was the doctor who did most of the testing on hypothyroid individuals and metabolisms. It's not JUST those with autoimmune hypothyroidism either (Hashimoto's). Dr. B (and Dr. Atkins much later) found that when you lower your carbs less than 30net, AND your calories to less than 1200, that your T4 to T3 conversion is almost nonexistent and can trigger Hashimoto's as well as tertiary hypothyroidism. 

Subjects who ate well OVER 1600 to 1800 calories a day with 25net grams carbs did quite well. Subjects who ate well over 100 grams carbs and about 1400 cals a day did well too. 

and now we have that idiot hick Tippy telling us to us our diet to 800 cals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The members who Do care who the Kimmer really is, are instantly banned.  We Have tried the diet and we Do have serious comlications from the diet.</p>
<p>Clumps of hair falling out due to the malnutrition, slow metabolism and rapid pulse, no energy and fainting. Impaired thyroid function. Yoppy even has that now.</p>
<p>Dr. Broda Barnes was the doctor who did most of the testing on hypothyroid individuals and metabolisms. It&#8217;s not JUST those with autoimmune hypothyroidism either (Hashimoto&#8217;s). Dr. B (and Dr. Atkins much later) found that when you lower your carbs less than 30net, AND your calories to less than 1200, that your T4 to T3 conversion is almost nonexistent and can trigger Hashimoto&#8217;s as well as tertiary hypothyroidism. </p>
<p>Subjects who ate well OVER 1600 to 1800 calories a day with 25net grams carbs did quite well. Subjects who ate well over 100 grams carbs and about 1400 cals a day did well too. </p>
<p>and now we have that idiot hick Tippy telling us to us our diet to 800 cals.</p>
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		<link>http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/10/direct-from-kimkins-rebuttal/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Really?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;But many of these sources are coming from people who have only heard about our diets and have not actually tried them. As far as the founder of Kimkins.com is concerned and with all due respect, most members really don’t care who she really is or is not. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;But many of these sources are coming from people who have only heard about our diets and have not actually tried them. As far as the founder of Kimkins.com is concerned and with all due respect, most members really don’t care who she really is or is not.</p>
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